If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.

I would strongly suggest, that if you want to hit T5 again. You do it before Amarr grind down the fortress. You guys are still benefiting a great deal from our work. Once they grind down all your 5'ed systems, it's probably game over for you

G19 macro you hold down.

Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.

I think this needs to be bourne in mind. GSF may do a lot of stuff in game, but i don't think its fair to blame the entire corp for the actions of a few in this situation.

Not really.

I dont thing congratulating people on bug abuse is really gonna happen.

We'd be much more convinced of your 'best intentions' if they figoured out the exploit and immediately informed CCP.

Instead, you (rather impressively may i add) exploited the game mechanics to basically create your own isk printing press.

Dont act like you are some white knights here to save EVE from all that is broken.

That really is double counting and is creating (if not isk) then loyalty points that can be turned into isk (from thin air.)

Not an exploit?
23.You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.

What do you think, CCP?

Then there would be nothing to tell CCP Punkturis about, yet:



And, can anyone in the CFC think objectively about this? These 5 who did this didn't just get one over on all non-CFC people. They gained an advantage over everyone else in EvE. Unless you are getting a cut. I'm not space rich enough to think 5trillion isk is just a drop in the bucket.

So, if CCP had designed it to work like this, then why did they patch anything? If nothing wrong was done, then why would the OP report it.

The only people I've seen use the word legitimate are goons and people supporting their argument.

Unfortunately for them, CCP has not used this word. In fact, they're using anytonyms of legit. Not a good sign goonies /o\

Because you didn't read the ******* thread, because you are ******* trolling.

OK, not a bug. If we define a bug as a technical glitch, rather than an exploitable feature of the rules/game design. I believe CCP has considered some non-'bug' things as exploits before, no? In any event, the intent and purpose of the TOS provision is apparent from its language. Exploit... to gain an unfair advantage over other players.
And then, in a separate issue, You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum.
In any event, it's a manipulation of the game system to achieve an unintended result, of a pretty massive scale. Looks, walks and smells like an exploit to me.

You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.

I keep waiting for PA to explain how you can design a system specifically to work in a way other than intended.

You will need to link me to the post where I said that.

Initially that is exactly what was happening though ...

To repeat. When you kill a ship in faction warfare (belonging to the enemy faction) you get loyalty points awarded equal to the value of the ship + cargo. These freighters that were being killed on alts were awarding loyalty point payouts (for the kill) that also counted in the cargo that had dropped in space (and thus could be added to a future kill and payout). That really is double counting and is creating (if not isk) then loyalty points that can be turned into isk (from thin air.)

That (as I understand it) was the bug that got fixed early, but I didn't see any note in the op post suggesting that LP has been removed from the game - its even referred to as "seed" (or foundation) LP for the continuing scheme.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1516782#post1516782




Learn to edit.

LP can be turned into isk (by getting items that can be sold on the market)

Ahhh, now I see where you're coming from. You're just basing your reaction off Goon reports and not bothering to actually examine the system, otherwise you'd realize that achieving tier 5 is quite possible, and quite easy.

56 systems are necessary to achieve WZ control level V, and it takes 100,000 LP to upgrade a system to level 5. Thus, a total of 5.6 million LP is needed to achieve Tier V. 5.6 million LP is easily earned in a *single afternoon* by a handful of individuals. There are several *thousand* minmatar pilots out upgrading systems and earning LP.

Now yes, they Goons propped us up for a period of time, but the idea that we can't ever hit it again is silly. It'll just be lower for a while due to the constant bleed that exists in the system and will require more coordination in timing to achieve the same thing, but its by no means impossible. I know *individual* pilots in the various militias currently capable of bankrolling this themselves.

But by all means, continue to ignore facts and the fact that I've explained twice now that I warned CCP of the "snowball" I got all day.

Actually, they only hurt the ppl that used the exploit.

But just think of all the new customers the publicity will bring!

You could try Blizzard or other decently serious companies. Instant perma ban and they send you an email stating whatever further correspondence you will send them will be completely ignored.

I would not, I actually applaud at their genius.

But the game companies usually don't like this kind of genius played on their products, so - regardless of me or you liking it or not, they go very heavy handed.

Point in case, in WAR in the last months there have been:

- Mass people banning because they discovered they could get an health buff thru a pet by going in certain zones. Developers used a flawed formula... rings you something similar?

- Mass people perma banning with no recourse allowed because they discovered they could increase their stats a lot by clicking on certain NPCs, which applied a formula that could be gamed.